EP #83 - Rock Band - Cry Wolf

I had a great yarn talking to Kevin (vocalist/guitarist) and James (Drummer) from the new, exciting, upcoming rock band from Auckland New Zealand Cry Wolf. These guys are seasoned veterans in the local music scene here in Auckland and have already made a strong debut with their new single, "Rainfall." They also have a new track, "Burn," scheduled for release by the time this podcast is published. 

We had great yarns discussing New Zealand music, favourite bands, bands that have aged well, recording their recent tracks, and the band's future plans. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

And I'm here with two members of Crywolf, Kevin and James. How's it going, boys? Very well. Good, mate. How are you? Very, very good. So you guys have just come out this year, and you guys came out swinging. Because, you know, I look at how some bands come out when they come on like uh social media and they've got material coming out, you know, people kind of start their band, take about a year to release something, but you guys were just like boom boom boom boom boom. Like literally, I was like, Alright, so you guys did the Caridian's last gig. So you guys opened and did that. Uh a little bit of nepotism might have helped with that, but you know.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Yeah, it's gotta be done. Had to be done.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Had to be done. That's fair. Uh you already got on you got music video out for rain. You're already on Spotify Playlists. I saw you're on like an alternative one. You guys are doing a music festival appearance next year already at Festival One. Very exciting. And you've got merch out, and you've already got reviews out. I'm impressed. Yeah, it's a lot of work. But that's a that's a lot of work that, but you guys already came out and had it all. We had everything lined up.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

That's everything lined up, yeah. About nine months.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Yeah, well, I guess since we started jamming, we were holding off on announcing anything or putting out like any kind of social media presence so that by the by the time we did put that out, we had stuff ready to go. So we didn't want to be like, hey, we're cry wolf, and then just have nothing to show. So yeah, we waited until we had content and then yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

Just everything, like everything lined up, music, video, music, a show, um, yeah, merch. Just come out with a bang, really. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

Especially like a like a good show as well, like doing uh like a good like coming on like Caridians, like that that that that that like that's a great one.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Like a sad and a good one, you know, it's sort of like you know bitter sweep, but a great one for told us that that was happening, and I was like, hey mate, you reckon we could uh open that? It was 20 minutes, and they they were good enough to reshuffle the lineup a little bit and chuck us on there, so that was awesome. And it also like kicked our ass to get ready to play a gig because yeah, we were kind of just we were just jamming along, and so that gave us like a goal to work towards, which was good.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Yeah, we had to kind of rush through. Um we always had the intention of using backing tracks and a click, but once we got that show, that's when we're like, okay, we better get that sorted like ASAP.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

So um that's also a lot of that's a lot of work for you as the drummer, you know. You gotta I mean you're obviously a very good drummer and very tight and you play with studio, done lots of studio stuff, but still going live and new songs and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

Yeah, well, particularly because I like to be like quite aggressive and passionate when I play. Um that I've never done that with like having click in your ear. Like you gotta concentrate the same time as well as have fun. Yeah. So that was probably the biggest one for me is finding like a a middle ground there and yeah, being both on time and store on budget. Oh, that's on budget. On budget. Every snare hits about 20 cents. Yeah. Funnily enough, yeah, like we were talking about like the worst case scenario of backing tracks and what could go wrong. And yeah, with the Caribbean show, um, just with us being like a last minute band, um, we had a very quick sound check because there just wasn't enough time and never is. Yeah, and Tyler the sound guy was like, just um he's like, Can I adjust your sound at all? And I was just like, Yep, no, that's that's cool, that's fine, yeah. And then we started playing, and then when the chorus kicked in for the first song, I was like, I can't hear the click at all. I don't know where we are. Yeah, well, it was alright for Byrne.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

I think the second one I just got so lost. Like it was super off-putting for me because I could still hear the click very clearly, and then I could hear you just out a little bit, so it was like, ah, but you have the click as well in your ear. Yeah, because we have a few cues where like different guitar parts come in and stuff, so we're all running the click. Is that hard as a singer? Nah, I mean you just get used to it. Sure. You've been practicing with that a lot. Yeah, and we we have the click a lot lower than what he would have, sure, because it needs to crank through for him. But yeah, there's just a couple of spots that the guitar is coming in needs to come in at the right time or whatever, so we need to have the click or at least the cue coming in for that. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

And also like building like who was um who did you guys work with for the studio recordings?

SPEAKER_02 4:36

That was well, we recorded the drums at the lab with Oli Harmer, which was really cool. Lab's awesome, nice. Yeah. Well, I had I'd never been there, and all I knew of Ollie was he'd worked with all these big bands and won music awards, so I was kind of shitting myself going in there to be honest. Really? Yeah, but then he got it. Yeah, yeah. But then I went in there and like it was probably like the most relaxing recording experience I'd ever had. Like, yeah, like went through each song like two or three times, and he would just be like, Yep, no, that's great, James. We'll move on to the next one.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

Not being like, that was terrible if you practiced ever. Yeah, I've I've had that before.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

Yeah, the classic. Yeah, and then the rest of the stuff we just recorded at home. I spent ages just uh on my laptop at home tracking, and some of the some of the parts I would just do like a couple of notes at a time, and then a couple of notes at a time, so they were like spot on, and then um yeah, went up to Nick's place and tracked bass up there, and then went down to Rotorua where Josh lives, and we did all the vocals down there and in Josh's little wardrobe, made a little recording booth in the wardrobe. He goes everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

Yeah, on a it's like a tour just to do the recording. It is insane.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

Cry wolf recording tour. I mean even between me and Nick, who both live in Auckland, there's still an hour between us. He's on North Auckland, I'm in South Auckland, so it's pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Yeah, that's a lot to organise, like, yeah, just the four of you guys. It is like we have to like really think ahead like a couple of weeks. We've got to really plan, eh? Everything's gotta be super planned, and like if someone's sick, it's like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Yeah, we basically we try in a perfect world, we try to do rehearsal in Cambridge where I live one weekend, and then the following weekend I'll come up and we'll do a rehearsal with Nick in Auckland.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Yeah, so Nick won't come to the Cambridge one and Josh won't come to the Auckland one, but yeah, it works pretty well.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

So I I kind of want to come back to like you guys like uh you know coming out, having everything ready uh for you, you know, like all the all the content you guys got, music video, you know, song out, new song coming out soon with um with Ben as well. And I kind of wanted to like like when I look at what you guys have done with coming out, everything uh, you know, everything streamlined, all these, like, you know, there's always uh like there's like the songs out, videos out, here's the gig, uh here's like a music festival working towards. And I guess what I wanted to ask was like, would you say through quite a bit of an experience you guys kind of know how the how the game works a bit now with like content?

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

And set it and setting yourselves up to um I guess setting yourselves up for success, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 7:21

Yep. I mean the game has changed a lot since the earlier days is all about social media content and stuff like that now. So that's a kind of an annoying part of it having to do all these reels and stuff like that. But yeah, it's it's it's a big part of it. But I think it's a lot about just momentum and stuff like that. So like consistently posting and yeah, if you have too much of a break between content, then you kind of drop off the radar a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

So setting a momentum, yeah, and then keeping it. So we've we definitely talked about like a timeline for everything. So content calendars and stuff, yeah. Yeah, well, and just like you know, just with songs, we're like, let's set ourselves up so you know let's record these songs and then boom, release one every two or three months and just keep sort of you know, music and content flowing.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

Take take one song three minutes and make like a hundred reels. Yeah, yeah. I think like But that is how it is though. It is like the little snippets here and there just drop in all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

Like in the past with bands, uh we kind of just like, okay, we've got a song already, we'll release that, and then you have stuff like nothing else ready. And so that's something that I've definitely learned like along the way. Like, you want to have your next few pieces of content ready to go, so you're not just like floundering around in in no man's land, you need to have that next next bit of content ready to go. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

Time management as well. Like, even just with the music videos, we were like, let's just film two music videos in the same location in one day, change it around a bit. So efficient.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Yeah, but you guys, you guys know it.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Yeah, that's that's because we live all over the place. So when you can actually get us together, we need to maximize that time, yeah. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

Yeah, because you because um, yeah, for those who maybe don't know, like Kevin, you've been in Swerve City, the band before this, and then Fire It Will. And uh what was the band before that? My Asylum. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

I remember the My Asylum. Oh, that was a long time ago. Yeah, so Josh, who plays guitar and and crywolf, he was in Fire It Will as well, and then My Asylum was like the early version, I guess, of Fire It Will. But then we got a new singer there, and so we transitioned into Fire It Will.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

And then uh James, James has was um he's in still in the band Sun Gods, um, have been on they've been on here a few times, and then he's also been in uh a bit I I can't remember the like in between, but I know you're in a band with John Folding called Drive Town like ages ago. Research, haven't you? Well, I just know that because I know John. But what so what was another band you're in during like in like in between time?

SPEAKER_02 9:56

Well, Drivetown was kind of like before the Sun Gods, Drivetown was like like my first real band where I met Conrad. That's right. Yeah, what does the name mean? Drivetown, it's where we rehearsed. So my dad um managed a car yard in Pamure, Ellersley called Drivetown, and they had a spare room. Nice, bad name. Yeah, we went with Drive Town. Um But I think that ended like sort of 2012 because I moved to England. I think that was right before We Jammed.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

Yeah, yeah, because We jammed it would have been like 20 yeah, because also don't know I met James like when I was like 17 and I went in like his little garage with him and comrade in Mungery, and I didn't recognise Comrade. Oh Phil sorry, not Comrade. Um, yeah, and he had like huge dreads in that. Oh, you knew about dreads. No, for the and I I saw him and Phil's like, I know you, and I'm like, what? And I was like, oh man, the haircut changes like crazy.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

He's been doing that for years. He's he's he's he's kept a solid haircut recently, but yeah, he used to have dreads and then an afro and then yeah. Mix it up.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

That's cool. So yeah, you guys have been yeah, been doing uh doing it for a minute. One thing I also uh standout for me with you guys, I think with a lot of other rock and metal bands that I hear out at the moment is the harmonies. I don't actually hear too many bands do like proper like harmonies together. I think that's something that I stuck out also on the live show and also in the recordings. And I saw a little acoustic jam you guys did of rain as well.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

Yeah, Josh is a super good singer, so probably a better singer than me to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

But I started the band, so uh but that was definitely a highlight for me when I first heard Josh and Kevin sing together. I was like, well, this is just getting better and better. Like they sound so good together, it's almost like a um Sher and Bono type moment.

SPEAKER_00 11:53

Sharon Bono on a comparison. Yeah, I mean I always I I think most songs will have a vocal harmony going going on in the chorus, but live though, the way you know. Yeah, I think with our mixes and stuff, we probably tend to bump that harmony up a little bit so you can definitely hear it.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

But having the two distinct voices, you know, rather than just the same person harmonising, you know, you've actually got two distinct voices, and there's a lot you can do with that, which is cool. I don't think there's there's no especially in New Zealand, like I mean there are some but not many bands doing that, so you know, good stuff. Yeah, lots to do.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

It's definitely uh nice to have someone that can sing that good in the band.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Yeah, and you can take a break.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Yeah, card out.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

You can sing this one, too.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

Yeah, we got a couple of songs that uh well Josh is pretty good at writing songs as well, so there's a couple that he might take lead vocals on at some point, which would be cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Neat. That's cool. Yeah, I was listening, so listening to like your guys' sound, like, and it's funny because I was like, what I w used to try and do with bands, I'll try and like predict their influences, and then I went on to Spotify to try and read a bit more about your band and many list your influences and like uh but I was pretty bang on because I was like, oh yeah, like Lincoln Park, yeah. I thought Bring Me the Horizon, a little bit of that in there. Um Architects, I thought. Good, like new new architect stuff. Yeah, I mean, these are all bands that I love, so yeah, keep going. Story of the year. Yeah. I actually like wrote that down before I went to this stuff because I like Story of the Year a lot as well. And their new stuff is so good.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

Yeah, they've been one of my top bands for forever.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

I have to actually give them some time. I haven't really it's they're like one of those bands, you know, like you'll hear about a band or whatever, and you're like, oh, I need to give them like if I want to listen to a band and want to listen to like the entire back catalogue. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

They got a great back catalogue. I've still got to listen to them because um I was a bit late to Story of the Year as well. I only really got into them with their like latest album, which is which was like a few years back. Um but I always knew of them, but I was always I just never I never really got into it. Yeah, no, those are those guys are massive for me, for sure. Yeah, another awesome band. We have a band with great vocals and great harmonies, great riffs and all that, so that's real cool. Um I also noticed an um oh yeah, I had a little sneak listen to your upcoming single. Yep. Nice, can I say that or not? And this episode is sponsored by me. Do you struggle with sleeping and particularly struggle with light and sound while sleeping? I think it's time you get the sleep that you deserve. My business Infinity Sleep specializes in sleep well-being products to enhance your sleep quality. I've been using sleep masks and airplugs for the past three years to help improve my sleep, and I'm so stoked to finally have ones that have been created for my own sleeping needs. If you would like to learn more about my business Infinity Sleep, please visit our website www.infinitysleep.co.nz. By making a purchase, you are directly not only supporting a local Huey business, but also this podcast. Use the promo code only scot fifteen percent and receive fifteen percent off your first order. Go to w dot infinitysleep.co dot nz to get the sleep that you deserve. Well, I think it's gonna be out by the time this drops, so it's alright. Nah, I had to listen and um yeah, it's it's definitely still like playing along, playing like like part two for sort of a feel to like rainfall. And I've and when I was listening, had a little little solo in there. Yeah, cheeky little guitar solo Tombarello was making an appearance octoped. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

It was good though, it was tasteful. We did heaps of guitar solos and fire at will, and I guess it's a little bit like old school now, um, to a point, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

But but probably not because no one does it because everyone's like, oh, we've done that. It's like, yeah, but now no one's done it for a long time, so now it's actually cool to do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

We've been in this position before, I think, in uh like the early 2000s when um New Metal was at its peak and there was just no guitar solos. And obviously, uh I'm sure you've seen the St. Anger documentary. Of course, of course, that whole thing. So I feel like we're in that moment again where um no one wants to do guitar solos and somebody has to like break out with something and make it cool again.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

I guess for a period of time in like the 2010s, like in metal, there was like all the progressive metal bands came out, and there was like a lot of like crazy guitar work going on, and maybe that was another like I don't know, people weren't that keen on doing doing guitar solos because there was like a lot of those bands, there's like really intricate bits, and it's like it's cool, but it's like suddenly the whole song is just a shred sh a sh a shred sesh.

SPEAKER_02 16:25

Yeah, and it's like oh I kind of feel it's because of a lot of heavy bands these days have such an electronic influence. Yeah, it's so I think now yeah, that's sort of that's kind of what's taking the guitar solos away from heavy music, maybe. Um but I mean, yeah, we've got a bit of an electronic um sort of. Yeah, you guys got quite a few samples, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Where's it wh who brought that in? Like whose idea was to bring in the samples and simps and mostly Kevin's.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

We'd we'd actually talked about starting this project about a year over a year ago. Um because I knew with Conor with the Sun Gods he was having another baby, so I knew we were gonna sort of disappear for a while, so I wanted to like keep doing musical stuff, but it just didn't come to fruition until um Swerve City kind of wound up.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Yeah, yeah. James messaged me like about starting a completely new thing for a while, and that was like gonna be some heavy electronic sort of vibe or something, I think was the idea. But yeah, that that didn't come to anything. But then yeah, when Swerve wrapped up, I well I was trying to continue Swerve originally. So I asked James to come on and play drums and then I took over singing and so it just sounded like a new band, and I ended up being the only original member left, so we just became a new band. But yeah, I mean I've always been into the little electronic vibes, like um pretty big into like I prevail and stuff, and they got heaps of that electronic stuff going on. So it's mostly just been m me playing around and just trying some random stuff and seeing what sounds cool and to different logics and presets or something.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Does it sound cool?

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Yeah, so it's just been fun and just yeah, just trying to find stuff that sounds cool.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

Yeah, I think that's the main thing, like just stuff that excites us and sounds cool, and not be worried about whether we're gonna be like planted, like or they sound just like this band or this band, you know, like yeah. We're seasoned, we don't care at this point.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

No, wanna make what we want. And that's all that really matters. Exactly, yeah. That's all that matters at the end of it. Um, where does the name come from, Crywolf?

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Oh, that comes from the old group chat.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

It's a good story.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

Is it the the group chat with like a thousand different names where everyone's just throwing all their ideas out there? Yeah, it was a name generator.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

Crywolf was Kevin's name, but we were almost called Call Sign. Call sign. Call sign. Yeah, that was the front runner for a bit a all three of them were agreeing on it, and I was like, nah, nah, nah. And I wouldn't I wouldn't let it go. I was like, not no. I almost it almost got to the point where I gave up actually. But then Kevin hit me up and was just like, what about Crywolf? And I was like, Yeah, I don't know where it came from.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

We were just throwing names out there and just came came to me, but it's got that kind of visceral sort of aggressiveness to it a little bit, which kind of suits our vibe a bit. Yeah. And yeah, you can do a lot of cool stuff with wolf wolf imagery and stuff like that, so it kind of works.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

Because I thought it might have been a reference to that um horror movie that came out like 20 years ago. No? There's a movie called Crywolf that came out. It was like one of like the it's like it's like an indie horror film, but I think it did quite well at the time. Oh no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Uh right. We've got a few people like, oh, this is this the same band from the 80s? Uh no. And you're like, what's that band? Apparently, yeah. So I I I looked them up and they wear like tight leather pants and have the whole long hair, glam, glam metal kind of vibe. So might have to bring some of that back. Yeah, pay tribute.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

You should cover one of their songs, Crywolf covering Crywolf. Yeah. That's not a bad idea, actually. Yeah, go viral. I don't know. I know Josh would be keen for some leather pants. He he enjoys some leather pants, some big chaps. Chaps in particular. Yeah. Okay.

unknown 20:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

Whatever floats your boat. Whatever floats your boat. Um one thing actually, I was gonna save this for later, but I might as well I kind of want to ask you guys about this now. With a like a lot of bands uh in the rock and metal world, a lot of p like even like the Spotify streaming numbers have come out, and they even say like, you know, people listen to bands from like the 2000s and 90s more, you know, a lot of new music that's come out in the last 10-15 years, like people aren't really listening to. Well, maybe 10 years, not 15 years, 10 years. Like it's not like as popular. So like new artists that come out with new music, even like pop stars and that, like, it's just they don't get the same amount of like plays or hits as like some of the um some of the older groups. But I was gonna ask you guys is like this is more of like a rock and metal edition, like which band's new music would you still listen to? So I'm gonna rattle up some names.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

Definitely architects, so I love their new stuff.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Yeah, I was gonna rattle off some names. Okay. And then you guys, if you like if they release new music, like would you check it out?

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

So both my Valentine. Would you listen to it?

SPEAKER_00 21:35

I prefer their old stuff.

SPEAKER_01 21:36

But if they released a new song, would you I would check it out for sure.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

You check it out? Yeah, but definitely. Yeah, they're they're interesting. They have they had a few weak albums, and then I think they came out with like a good album. So yeah, I would definitely check it out. But yeah, the old stuff is freaking sacked.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

That's true. Um yeah, we just said architects, but so architects you'd you check out new stuff.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Yeah. Sometimes it's not your thing? Well no, I like them, but sometimes it's a little it's a little samey same for me, personally.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

But they kind of got they got they got in a bit of like a a rhythm I found where they kind of became the they found their formula and I was like uh dare I say it, like I feel like some bands are gonna end up in a tough position if they keep working with Jordan Fish of all sounding the same.

SPEAKER_02 22:27

Ah, right. Yes, so yeah, but no, I I would listen to them, but like I I feel like it would be nothing sort of out of the norm if I heard them. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Okay. Uh North Lane. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

I've gone off them a little bit. Yeah. Which out which album did it? Uh it's the one after Node, I think.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Oh, Alien.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Oh see, I I thought that was uncredible, but fair.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

That's where it started for me. Oh, why is that?

SPEAKER_01 23:00

Just the electronic element you found a bit average, or was it like the production?

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Just the well node, I freaking loved that album, and then yeah, I don't know, it just didn't grab me as much as as Node, and so then I just they just slipped off a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

But I would I would definitely check it out for sure.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

That's what I thought. Did you think that as well? Yeah, I did as well, yeah. Like but I guess it's in terms of what production uh in terms of production, but also like the songwriting. I just thought it was I just thought it was better. And I thought for a while, like don't get me wrong, I like North Lane, but a lot I guess because of the saturation of like progressive metal at that time period, and they to me were kind of like another one. And then I was like, oh no, they're definitely not just a typical progressive metal core band.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

Yeah, I think like if you listen to an album Heaps That You Love, which I listened to knowed heaps and I loved that, and then something else that it just you don't know it as well and you don't love it already, so maybe it needs more time to grow on you or whatever, but yeah, it just didn't grab me as much.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

That's fair.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Uh Lincoln Park.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

New music.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

I think that album has some absolute bangers, the new album. It's tot I mean it's different.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Uh you can't really compare you can't compare it to just uh I I'll be honest, I kinda wish they called it something else. Or like Lincoln Park with or something. I don't know. You know like what Queen did? Like Queen with Adam Lambert or something? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

There's something Yeah, I'm just laughing because um I love watching the arguments on the internet about it. That is funny. People are losing their minds and yeah, it's a band that has people.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

If I was in their position though, and you uh you're Lincoln Park, you're like one of the biggest bands of all time. Keep the name. Are you gonna come out as some other band and just play like smaller shows, or are you gonna come out as Lincoln Park again and tour the world in arenas?

SPEAKER_02 25:05

Yeah, big time. True, that's very true. It's valid. Yeah. I mean, I would uh I I I like the new album. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

So I think some of the riffs on that album are much more early, like Meteora kind of thing. Yeah, there's definitely a few of those tracks where throwback for sure. Yeah, yeah. I think I think the album was pretty good overall. And I mean she she suits that vibe. Like those new songs with her are mean. I I like them a lot.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

Yeah, I I definitely rate her voice and her scream. Like she got a good scream. Yeah, yeah. There's one song in particular, I can't remember the name of it, but that it's quite early on on that new album that will that was when I was like, Whoa, that's actually like really cool. So different from Chester.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

Yeah, you just gotta take it from the show.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

I mean, that's impossible. I mean, that's the also decision you gotta make as a band. It's like, do we find a replica or do we find a new singer?

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Like those are big shoes to fill as well. I mean, like crazy shoes to fill. Yeah, I say she's got balls, like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Yeah, that's one thing that they did well, I think, is coming out with someone, like even coming out with a woman, so that's even less of a comparison to Chester. So the more difference there is probably a better thing. Yeah, and then you can just take the music for what it is.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Yeah. I'll still keep up with listening to what they release, interested. I mean, there's there's there's only a few bands. Oh, actually, that goes into another one, actually, similar time period. Uh Deftones. Absolutely. Yeah, probably Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:37

Probably like my favourite band of all time.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Yeah, they're definitely up there with one of my favourite bands of all time. I do need to give the new album a better listen. I haven't I haven't given it enough of a listen yet, but I I listened to the first song that came out.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

What was it called? On the new album. Uh My Mind Is a Mountain. Yes, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

Yeah, that was that was good. Yeah. Yeah. It was That's a band that's Quintessential Deft Tones, that song for me. Like it has all the elements that make some Deft Tones.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

That's tough. It's interesting though, like when a band like that could, but their first album came what 92, 94, 95. Oh 95. Some way off. Adrenaline. There you go, adrenaline. So that was the first. Adrenaline. So like, because yeah, keeping it up for this long, I mean, that's hard.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

And being bigger than they've ever been before right now. Yeah. Like they're playing, selling out massive arenas all over the state.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

And then like tick the TikTok craze of Deftones, which is like very strange, but pretty cool. I'm not really on TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

I can't do it.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

It's not a good place to be, but it's just like it's interesting the bands that manage to like, I guess legacy bands who can make waves with like like young people. Yeah. It's interesting which ones carry over and which ones don't. Yeah. And Deftones is one of them. And Limbiscuit. Limbiscuit, that's a big one. I was going to ask you guys about that as well. That was another band on my list. New Limbiscuit music. Oh hell yeah. Hell yeah. It's so fun, though. So much fun.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

I remember that period where like everyone hated them. Like around, I don't know, like 06-07 where like emo music was coming in. And everyone was just like Limp Biscuit sucks. And like it was almost an embarrassment. Talaza tells me. It's like liking Nickelback.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

It was like, how how could you for Nickelback's?

SPEAKER_02 28:23

And then now you look at Limp Biscuit and they're back to like headlining like the biggest festivals in the world. And you're like, how does a band do that? Go from like being the biggest band in the world to being the most hated band in the world to being like one of the biggest bands in the world again. Like that must feel like such a roller coaster for an artist to Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

That's pretty cool. It's interesting to see uh where's the guitarist like left for a while and tried some other stuff and then just ended up coming back because I mean Limit's getting you can't go past that. No, he's not. Yeah, it'll be hard to I mean it's the same with like Lincoln Park if they rebranded, they'll just be playing like smaller shows if the it won't be the same. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Yeah. Yeah, true. Um all right, uh Parkway Drive. New music. Would you listen to it if they release a new album?

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Probably not because I haven't really listened much to them to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

Yeah, they're they're a band that I never got into that much, but just recently I put on the album like last week and had a had a listen through because someone someone said that rainfall reminded them of Parkway Drive, and I was like, okay, that's not not what I would have expected. Yeah, that's not that's not a comparison I'd make either. I don't think so at all, but I gave them a listen the other day, and yeah, they got some cool stuff for sure, but not not really my my jam that much.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Yeah, that's um like because I I'm I'm a I'm a big fan of them, and like I found that kind of after like yeah, the like mid uh 2010s, and then they started like releasing more almost what felt like classic metal, like classic rock metal stuff. And I'm like, fair enough, you guys want to change it up. You know, I've been playing metal core in the din-dun breakdowns for a long time. But I was like, yeah, it's alright. But they're more successful than ever. They played the Sydney Opera House with an orchestra, like headlining whack in festivals in Europe. Like, hey, don't let me come in and tell you what I think of you guys are crushing it. But it's just like the new music, like it's um it's alright. Like, but it's that's a band that I feel that yeah, I'm stuck in the old stuff.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

Did you speak of orchestras, did you go to the Rock 2000 show? No, was it good? Well, I didn't go myself, but I've watched the videos, it looks pretty, pretty amazing, like a 30-piece orchestra with blind spot.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Yeah, I was thinking of actually going to that, um, but yeah, missed the date, clearly. It sold out pretty fast, I think, as well. Yeah, yeah, that would have been a good show. That would have been a good show.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

But no, it looks and sounds pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Yeah, I'll check out those recordings. When was it?

SPEAKER_02 31:02

Last Saturday, I think, or Friday. Yeah, last Friday, I think.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

Yeah, I'll check it out. That'd be cool. Yeah, we came out at number three with Rainfall. No, I'm just gonna go. Yeah, we came out, they invited us. Um oh, this is more for James, probably. I don't know if Kev likes this band, but Anishikari, definitely new stuff.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Yeah, yeah. I only know a couple of their songs, they're always fun though. Yeah, I would check out the new stuff.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

That's a band that's always developing, like it's just never boring. Yeah, it's always interesting.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

They'll always be like a very special band for me because I missed um Rage Against the Machine at the big day art in 2008 for them, pretty much. A friend of mine was like, You gotta come check out this band Enter Shikari, and I was like, that's like the worst name I've ever heard for a band. He's like, Trust me, trust me, and then ended up watching the show, and I was like, Whoa, and just got so into them after that. I've seen them about three times now, yeah, and uh all in London, um, and just yeah, watching a band because I think they were like 21 or 22 when I first saw them, and just watching them progress has been pretty cool. So yeah, they'll always be like a special band for me.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

Same. I'm very sure I heard of them because of you. Yes, I did recommend them. Yeah, I remember them. I was just like, whoa, this band's crazy. Yeah, and then I was I I got really insane. I've seen them like three times. I saw them at Zeal.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Uh West Auckland, right?

SPEAKER_02 32:29

I remember you telling me about it. Uh you were asking the drummer um about why they didn't play the song what is it? Uh Johnny Sniper.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

Yeah, and they were like, we don't want to play that shit anymore. Back in like embarrassed from that. I think at the time, probably not now, but back then they were like, Oh, we don't want to win. They were trying to change up their direction, I think. Be a bit more serious, because the early stuff, some of it's serious, but definitely more some more fun, cheeky stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

Yeah. Tongue in cheek. The only album I don't like by them is um Is it the spark?

SPEAKER_01 33:00

I agree. People really like that, and I don't understand why. Me neither, yeah. One of their most um streamed songs just on Spotify is Live Outside. That's actually that one of their most played songs. It's such a sing-along song, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 33:12

But it's very okay. I like Rebel Rouser, and that was honestly about as far as it as it went.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

I like the softer songs they did, but when they tried to do like that little bit of like Anishikari aggression, it was just it just felt a bit I don't know. Yeah, quite do it for me.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

Yeah, yeah. That was that was what was missing on that album. I feel like they're trying to make like a pop album as opposed to like the sort of um explorative like sound that they had on all their other albums. And then yeah, I heard that and I was like, but each to their own. Yeah, I'm just happy that they get do what they want.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

That's what I like.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

And they probably did. They probably did, you know. That's probably why it's like one of their bigger albums.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

So yeah, but it's a bit of like um yeah, two side yeah, I guess like two sides of the coin there, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 34:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Have you heard their new song? Uh the brand new one? No. I listened to the album that came out.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

What was the latest one? Um I listened to it on the way up here, actually, yeah. Really, really good. No, this new song. Oh. Yeah, it's a latest release. So I need to listen to that. So much new music. Gets overwhelming, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Uh no, that's uh yeah, there's just always always so much stuff being released. Okay, another band. Slipknot. Nah. New music. Nah. Would you listen?

SPEAKER_00 34:30

No, come over them. I've seen them live a couple of times. Mean, awesome show, but yeah. Kind of done with him. Done.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

Been there, done that. I I feel like since Joey Jordison was no longer in the band that it just never been the same. Nah. Yeah. Like I know he was like very big in the he was a big part of the songwriting process for the very much just like a business now. They're just Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Not fest and it's got their own festival. Yeah. Exactly. They've just sold their music as members in and out, like it was only w one or two original members. Uh it's like five or four, I think. I don't know. You probably should check that.

SPEAKER_02 35:09

But they've just sold all their music, I think, as well, for like $120 million or the rights to their music.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Bouncing on this chair and other people does the shit. Yes, they have, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

But you you you're a drummer, I get it. I guess it's still at least not less like trying to make drum beats everywhere. Oh no, I'm not that guy. Do you play drums, bro? Um all right, next one. I don't know if you guys are into this band's gonna throw it out there. Machinehead. Did you guys ever like Machine Head? One or two songs.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

You never listen to them. Yeah. I wouldn't I feel like I saw them at Big DR one time. Likely. But yeah. No, never listen to them really.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

You? Uh I'm uh yeah, I I I really loved a lot of their stuff, especially in high school and like after high school, but then I've kind of dropped off from listening. But I was just, yeah, that's another big band where they're still releasing stuff. It still seems to have a bit of hype. But yeah, just interested to see if you guys would listen to it. Okay. Uh Breaking Benjamin.

SPEAKER_00 36:10

Yeah, they're probably top three all the time. Top three bands for me. So new music it'd still definitely. They've got a new album on the way. There we go. They said they released the single like October last year, I think, and they were like, new album coming 2025. Still yet to see any evidence of that.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

So we get compared to them quite a lot as well, I find a lot of people say that.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

So yeah, I can hear a lot of similarities, especially with like some of the lead guitar riffs. Yeah. And like that's Breaking Benjamin.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

Even when like when we first started jamming and Kev sent me some demos, that was like one of the first bands that popped into my mind. That's a good comparison, like makes a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

100% that like some like someone like Breaking Benjamin. Yeah, what about you? Would you listen to their new music?

SPEAKER_02 37:03

Yeah, definitely, yeah. They're one of those bands that like I um have just consistently listened to, like, if you know what I mean. Like um always in the playlist, always on the rotation. Yeah, yeah. Like there's some bands that'll come along with artists. Like, I don't just listen to rock music, like I love a lot of pop music as well. So there's like a lot of different people that I'll listen to, and I'll be like just playing it on high rotation constantly, and then all of a sudden I'm like, I don't want to listen to that for six months. But Breaking Benjamin are one of those bands that are just consistently there.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

Yeah. Alright. Maybe we'll um yeah, we'll go I'll do a couple more and then we'll move on. Uh Disturbed.

SPEAKER_00 37:40

I used to be m big into disturbed, yeah, but not so much anymore. No, no.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

I like their old stuff, but I couldn't even tell you what any of their new songs are called. Nah.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

They got some great riffs though, some of those early early albums.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. Uh Evanescence.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

Same thing. I I know like those two songs off their first album.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

Nothing since then, so but they just released that song with Amy Lee and Poppy and Courtney from Spootbox, and that was a freaking mean song.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

Yeah, it went to like number one on the billboard as well, I think.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

Yeah, that's uh Yeah, that was so good.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

Corn?

SPEAKER_00 38:20

Definitely. Yeah, definitely. Do they have new music? I'm assuming they do. I haven't heard anything new from them really. But maybe I'm just out of the loop on them. I would check it out for sure.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

I spent uh ten hours on an airplane with the guitarist once. Oh yeah? Yeah. Heard his lovely guy. He was, yeah. It was um Auckland to LA, and then I saw him get on. I was like, that looks like the guitarist from Corn, but I was just like, well, why would he be in an economy? It doesn't make sense. And then um Times are tiffed. That's what I was thinking. I was like, if it is him, I was just like, God, I hope he's okay. But then they are GoFundMe. He's quite short too, actually. But um the stewardess brought out the Sky Couch. You know, you can like make your you buy like three seats, and you're making a sky couch. I was like, oh it definitely is him, yeah. So I just said a quick hello at the end of the flight and yeah, had his hood on and his sunglasses. Trying to keep Boot Vegan swiggles.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Uh Fallout Boy.

SPEAKER_00 39:23

Guys, you ever you guys into pop punk? Yeah, I love a lot of the early stuff, but yeah, the newer stuff, meh, pretty meh.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

I haven't really been I was never into like the pop punk thing, but occasionally there's like you know, that one band out of a certain genre that you do like, they were definitely them. So like, yeah, I would definitely probably ever listen to them.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

New music, yeah. Yeah. Uh we'll just do two more. Because one one band that actually uh I some parts, especially like some like the kind of choruses, remind me of Sum 41 that you guys do. Oh, yeah. There's like a little sprinkle of that in your guys' music. Yeah, nice. Yeah, I like Sum 41, yeah, they're cool for sure. But they they're broken up, but yeah, they're not around anymore, so that's irrelevant to my question. But just I just wanted to throw it out there.

SPEAKER_00 40:09

If they did do new music, I would check it out. Yeah, I'd check it out.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

Uh last one, because I think this is an interesting one, is um Blink182. Definitely.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

New music they were never like huge for me. I I like a bunch of their songs, and I would give their new songs a listen, but not huge for me.

SPEAKER_02 40:29

Their self-titled album, 2003's, I think it came out, 2003, yeah. That's probably that's one of my top five albums of all time. Really? I wasn't really into them before then, because you know they like write songs about like farts and dicks and shit. Grow up.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

That was part of the beauty, but then it's like it's like time goes on and like you're 50, and it's like it's funny, but it's like you know, it's sort of um that's what I mean. Like it's a new new music, you know. Yeah, you like it.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

I blame it on um well, not blame it, but I think the reason that album was made was because Tom did Boxcar Racer and it was a bit more of a mature sound. So when I first first heard that album, I was just like, whoa, like that's one of those albums I can listen from star to end.

SPEAKER_00 41:10

And Travis Barker is one of the best drummers of all time.

SPEAKER_02 41:13

Yeah, well the drumming on that album's just insane.

SPEAKER_01 41:16

Yeah, it's crazy good. That was always like what was so amazing about that band was the drummer. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

It makes me wonder like whether they would have sort of climbed to the heights that they did with the old drummer and Scott Rayner, I think his name was. Not that who is a police officer now. Just fun fun fact. Strange.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

I know the oh on on the Sun 41. I remember the the drummer when he left the band, he became a real estate agent. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

Yeah, he was also a very good drummer, in some.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

He um he went uh, I think he was looking for jobs, and the only job he had on his CV was drummer of Sun 41. Oh my gosh. It was the other guy who did that from not Pop Hunger, uh C uh Viada's Murder. That's right. The singer CJ, I think his name is Australian. Australian band names. Uh Viadas Murder. The Def Cor band from Australia. Have you heard of them? No, I never very, very heavy, like real fucking heavy. Yeah. But he left the band. Um I quite I'm not really into defcor, but they were pretty cool because they I I thought that they did that genre quite well. Kind of made it a bit more musical. Um, but he left and then he became real strange. And all these funnest guy with like you know like looks real deaf metal and stuff, and he's like, Sold my first time. It's like wow.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

That's so quite a common thing because I think when Yellow Card broke up for the first time, two of them became car salesmen. Wow. So maybe that's a thing.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

That's interesting. Yeah, it's it's it's a strange like transition, but hey, I mean I I remember like CJ had like a big post because I was following them a bit, and he and it makes sense, like he was like, Yeah, and this playing death core, like I I loved it, but he did it for so long, there's not much of a future in it. It was like I think every life was you know grew up a lot, and I think yeah, bills got high and death core doesn't pay.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

Yeah. Speaking of Deathcore, we got a gig in a couple weeks with a band called the Rising Tide. Have you heard of them? No, they are from New Plymouth and they are Deathcore. But I I I mean I don't listen to Deathcore much either, but I had listened to them and they were so good, man.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

So are you just saying that because you're playing giggle? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

I'm sure they're pleasantly surprised, yeah, because that that genre is generally like a bit intense for me. But I don't know, it's just like the the way that they've constructed the rhythms and stuff like that like keeps it interesting.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

It's different, yeah. I always found that live, like when you're like really heavy music like deaf metal, deaf core, that's where I'm like, wow, this is great. But studio recording wise, it's a bit hard. It's a bit hard to like for me to be like, Oh, I'm loving this. 'Cause it's just sometimes it's just like it's just a bit like it's feels like a just too much to take in.

SPEAKER_02 43:57

Yeah, it's gotta it's good, you've got to be in the right environment. And like sitting at your work desk is not the place sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

A lot of that stuff to me just sounds like noise. So good death core needs to have like really clear, defined, like roofs and stuff. And another band I face.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

Another band for me that did that was after the burial. You guys ever check them out before?

SPEAKER_00 44:21

I know the name, but I haven't listened to them.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Similar, like not as heavy as like but like really heavy death core, but definitely like, you know, I don't know how you describe it, very heavy, like metal core, but there's no clean vocals and dying core. Dying core. Black metal, I think they call it. No, oh it's not black, it's it's not enough trembler picking for that. But like it's very, it's like it's really intense and like real heavy, but they managed to make it melodic enough with like the guitars and like the vocals are like like the rhythms, yeah. Like you said, they make it musical enough, not just like you know, just blast beading your life. Musicality. Yeah, I don't know what the right word is. It's just noise. These damn kids and their glass beads.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

We're talking about this a while ago when we did like our first interview, like you've got all like these things you want to talk about, and then you like go to do the interview and you're just like Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

Um oh so kind of going off that list of bands I uh listed off. Um so yeah, what bands do you guys reckon are like you know, when people go watch them play? Like what bands are like stuck with their classics and no one cares about the new material? Can you guys like think of any bands like that?

SPEAKER_02 45:36

The first one that comes to mind is probably Metallica. Yeah, yeah. That's a yeah, uh Slipknot's probably another one.

SPEAKER_00 45:44

Yeah, I the bands that have been around for like 20 plus years. Um I think the yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

But obviously all the bands that we just mentioned, like there's a lot of them that even I think a lot of people would agree with you guys that I'd you know, Lincoln Park as an example would keep up with them, Deftones keep up with them, like new music. I would be excited to hear new stuff, you know, rather than like just play my own summer again, you know. Yeah, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 46:08

Yeah, well, yeah, Deft Tones, I'd be happy to go to a concert and have their last new albums.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

Yeah, but like a lot of bands wouldn't have that luxury.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

No, if I went to see the Chili Peppers, like I want to see nothing past the year 2000, really. Well listen, sorry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:23

Depends how much of a fan you are. If you're a huge fan, you probably would be all over their new songs and you know all that shit anyway. But like when you go to a show, you you want to hear the songs that you know. So yeah, there's always there's more sort of radio bands like Chili's and Metallica. The majority of people probably only know the songs that get played on the radio. Yeah. And so they don't care about the new stuff. But then there's like the songs the bands that don't get played on radio so much, like I don't know, Breaking Benjamin or whatever. The people who go to those shows are the ones that are actually fans, so they probably know that new songs.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Isn't that interesting though? Like a band like breaking up this huge, huge band, right? Massive. And like they were in heaps of like I mean, I first discovered them from a what video game was it? Oh, I know the one you're talking about. Like a sports um EA sports game. Oh, and Halo. Halo, Halo and also in Halo as well.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

That's what I first heard of them. What's that song name? This is how I discovered them. Only the strongest will survive or something. Yeah, yeah. That's how I discovered them. Chain Halo.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

But like like a band like that, like not much rate which is weird, like not much radio play. Like it's quite a not like it's a quite a radio friendly band, really. Absolutely. But but then again, like not really not in New Zealand anyway. Not in New Zealand, yeah. We're just so stuck on the same crap.

SPEAKER_02 47:47

I've never seen New Zealand on that show, we're just like we're stuck in our ways. I'm not even sure if they've even played a shop, New Zealand. I've never heard of it.

SPEAKER_01 47:53

No, the guy doesn't like travelling, if I'm not mistaken. He's got a fear of flying. He doesn't fly, yeah. Yeah, he's got a fear of flying.

SPEAKER_00 47:59

They'll do the odd the odd show in Europe and he'll take a boat. That is crazy, pretty crazy. But yeah, I saw them once in America, that was so good, man. He's an amazing singer, right? That guy's vocals is yeah, so good.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

And the riffs are kind of like um because I think one of the I I've I heard like Diary of Jane, that was like one of the number one I heard, and then I heard like an acoustic song, and then I because for a long time I think I used to love reading about bands and how they got started and stuff, and then he was like used to do like a lot of like cover gigs for a long time when he started. I think he used to do like a lot of like Nirvana covers and all that, a lot of acoustic playing. Yeah, but the riffs he makes are like um they're quite unique. Like the You can always tell it's a breaking Benjamin riff for sure. But it's um there's got a certain yeah, flavour to it, like um and it's a lot heavier, like the riffs are way heavier than you'd think for like a hard rock song, which is really cool because they're like it's sort of like they're real heavy, but they're kind of yeah, it's in like a rock format.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

Yeah, accessibility to it. It's hard to pull that off.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

I'm pretty sure I've heard somewhere he like likes to write all his riffs acoustic first, and if it sounds heavy to him acoustically, then it's good to be good to go. Oh yeah. Something like that anyway. That's a good way of doing it. Yeah. Nice. They got some cool acoustic sets on YouTube actually. Oh yeah, check those out.

SPEAKER_01 49:19

He's a he's an amazing singer. Um so what's uh what's the future looking like for Cry Wolf right now?

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Yeah, well we got that show coming up uh which is in Rotorua with rising tide and also in their image to our local Rotorora band, and they are pretty heavy as well. Yeah, November 7th. So November 7th. November 7th, yeah. Um I think it's at Crates and Ques in Rotorua. Um that'll be our first time playing Rotorua, which is cool. I mean it's gonna be our first time playing pretty much anywhere, because we've only played one show, so that we can't remember we can't remember our show because it went so quick.

SPEAKER_02 50:00

Yeah, it's 20 minutes set. Yeah. I remember it. But that's a good thing though. Like we're talking about it. Like when you can't remember the show, that's when you know you've had a good show because like nothing went wrong. The adrenaline's running. Well, that's the only thing I can remember the show is having to ask Tyler to turn the click up, and that was it.

SPEAKER_00 50:16

So yeah. Uh then we've got another show end of November as well, uh, 21st of November in Hamilton, and that's with uh band called Wash. Have you heard of Wash? No. They they were from like 90s, early 2000s, and they just recently reformed like last year, I think, and joined a few shows. So they're playing a festival one as well. Um so we're doing a show with them and a couple of other bands. Um at last place in Hamilton on the 21st. So that'll be cool. And then yeah, Festival One in January. Um date to be confirmed. Yeah, they haven't released the actual schedule of that yet, but it's a three-day festival.

SPEAKER_02 51:03

I think it's a three-day festival.

SPEAKER_00 51:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:05

That'll be awesome. Never a brand new festival.

SPEAKER_00 51:09

I've never heard of it. They've been going for a while. It used to be Parachute Festival. Oh, it's a rebrand. Okay, no, I definitely running it and stuff like that. But it has been going as Festival One for quite a while. Fire at Will actually played Festival One. So that would have been like 10 years ago or something now. So it hasn't gone for it.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

Oh, I know. Oh I thought of yeah, because I thought parachutes went away and then oh that's what replaced it. Okay. Yeah. I'm so out of a loop.

SPEAKER_00 51:35

That'd be super fun.

SPEAKER_02 51:36

I I'd never heard of the festival either until Kev told me we got a slot. So I was like, awesome, what's that? And then Nick Nick Googled the wrong festival, didn't he? Oh, yeah, he googled one festival instead of festival one. He's like, they got like 200,000 people every year to the show. I was like, what the fuck are we getting into? I don't know if I want to do that, but that sounds like a Nick Raven thing.

SPEAKER_00 51:59

Yeah, no, but that'll be super cool. They got like good production there, like high-level production, massive stages and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

So space on stage, that's nice. You guys, yeah, tuning fork, like, oh god, you know, it's not just like cooped up, like you guys are like sitting on James' kick drum or something. Oh, I know, right.

SPEAKER_02 52:17

Yeah, well, we kind of talk about that. It might come across as like arrogant, but like we feel like we've all like earned our stripes a little bit, like playing in the scene for years and years. We kind of really want to aim to be doing some really big shows and not just you know playing dive bars week in, week out.

SPEAKER_01 52:35

Like I think the days are kind of gone of that as well, like to build a band, like to build, you know, like just a gig all the time and gig a lot of the small venues. Like, that's not the way to do it. No, no.

SPEAKER_00 52:46

I saw a clip of Dave Grohl yesterday, and they're like, What would you suggest for a new band? He's like, just get out there and play shows. Like, someone's gonna walk in off the club and walk into a club and see this band, and then they're gonna be like, Oh, that band's so good, and then they're gonna follow you. It's like that's not how it works, buddy. No, like no one's gonna just walk into a 1998 layer. Oh, that's a $20 cover charge, please. Oh, I'm not paying for some band that I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

Yeah, particularly in New Zealand. I think quite seriously, I think we have like the hardest music scene in the world.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

Like I agree.

SPEAKER_02 53:20

Uh pretty small numbers.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Yeah, and also like playing in alternative music makes it even harder. Yeah, you know, definitely. People love rock music in New Zealand, but how many of those people go watch shows and get out there?

SPEAKER_00 53:31

Yeah, I mean the big shows still pull people. Like you see Rock 2000 the other week sold out Spark Arena. So I mean there's rock fans out there, but yeah, nobody really wants to discover a a new band that much.

SPEAKER_02 53:45

And you gotta really convince people, yeah. Whereas like a lot of other countries like I've been lucky enough to live in, like England, like people go out on Wednesday night and they don't even know who's playing at a bar, but they'll go to the bar just to watch music.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

And uh it's like a thing to do.

SPEAKER_02 54:00

Yeah, same in America, like and that's where like I think it is actually possible to just play those dive bars and still build like an audience and a fan base, whereas here it's just not a thing, like no.

SPEAKER_01 54:12

So it's very, very difficult. That's why most of them, most bands go off to Australia. Yeah, you know, there's a and they they they they've got more of that. I think people go to venues just to you know check out some new music or check out what's happening, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:24

Local scene. Yeah, that's what I've heard as well. Yeah, Nathan Souter, who mixed and mastered um both Rainfall and our upcoming Jack Byrne. Um he used to play in a band called Tate the Willing, and a lot of those guys are living over in Australia now, and they're saying the same thing, like particularly with the hardcore scene. They're just huge over there, right?

SPEAKER_01 54:44

Yeah, hardcore and metal core is really big um in Australia. We are seeing a bit of a comeback with a lot of I mean, people are angry at the moment for a lot of reasons. Times are pretty hard for a lot of people. So the music, you know, alternative heavy music I think is in a in a good place.

SPEAKER_00 54:58

I think people are Australia always punched above their weight with like metal core though. I mean you got like Parkway Drive and Polaris. Yeah, North Lane, Amity Affliction, like yeah, they got some world classes.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's interesting, they all come from like Australia. It's um yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like yeah, something to be studied. Like, why there's so many of these metal core bands from such a sunny place?

SPEAKER_00 55:25

Uh what else have we got coming up? We got we've got a couple more songs in the pipeline to release probably early next year.

SPEAKER_02 55:31

Yeah, we've got I think the next song we release after Burn will be quite a um what's a good way to describe it?

SPEAKER_01 55:40

Your heaviest stuff yet. Well, no, it's gonna be the kind of like the opposite, really.

SPEAKER_00 55:46

More of a ballad, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Is there a piano? Kevin on the piano? No, not this time. Oh okay. We haven't actually played piano?

SPEAKER_00 55:53

Nah, Josh plays piano though.

SPEAKER_01 55:54

Oh, dude. Josh is you guys gotta tap into that.

SPEAKER_02 55:57

Definitely we haven't actually we've recorded the song, but we haven't fully completed it, have we?

SPEAKER_00 56:02

Oh, it hasn't been mixed yet. It hasn't been mixed anyway, so um, but yeah, plenty of time for that. But yeah, and then we're just working on new songs, we've got heaps of new songs in the pipeline. I'm sure you guys are just like edging yourselves this morning.

SPEAKER_01 56:20

Yeah, because you release like one song and then another song. But yeah, you guys are doing it the right way though. But it's tough though when you've got all this stuff, and then by the time you release it, it's like, ah, we recorded this like two years ago.

SPEAKER_00 56:30

Pretty much, and you're gonna be sick of it already. Yeah, yeah, it's already out. But once you release it, then it gives it that new life and you're excited to see people's reactions and stuff like that. And then playing them live is always cool, like when people know the song.

SPEAKER_01 56:45

For sure. Um, a couple more questions. Um, what are some of your dream NZ bands to play with?

SPEAKER_02 56:54

Well, for me it's gotta be Blind Spot, right? But they were kind of like the band that got me into music, really. Like when I first um heard and heard sing saw the video for Nilbo Mouth. That's when I was just like, who are these guys? And like, what is a sound like? So yeah, Blind Spot for me.

SPEAKER_00 57:15

Yeah, um definitely they're a massive influence when I was a teenager, so it'd be super cool to play with them. We actually played with uh Blacklist with Fire at Will back in the day. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I went and saw Blacklist at um Power Station when when they dropped that album. Oh we played at one of those shows, the Powerstation show. Oh really?

SPEAKER_01 57:35

Yeah. I saw um what was the other band? Villainy. Villainy was one of them that was another one as well. Us Fire at Will.

SPEAKER_00 57:42

Black River Drive. Oh, maybe it was a different show. Yeah, we did a Power Station show with Blacklist, which was sick, but yeah, would definitely love to play with Blind Spot. Um also this band Wash that we're playing a gig with, they were one of my favourite bands when I was like 15, so super cool to play with them. Um yeah, there's heaps of cool New Zealand bands.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

All those bands that uh we grew up with, like stylus. I've I've heard of them, I don't I don't know them.

SPEAKER_00 58:11

I am giant uh coming back, so it'd be cool to do shows with them. Um yeah, written by wolves, get a bit of a wolf thing going on. Cry wolf written by wolves, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:23

Uh they've been to give it 10 years, so it's crazy. We seem to be copying them, don't we? The name, and then now we're releasing a song called Burn.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

I was gonna say, guys, releasing a song called Burn is like a metal band.

SPEAKER_00 58:33

I'm like Well, every band needs a song called Burn.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

It's true. You have to just put yourselves down as a metal band. We did a song called Burn, guys. Watch the world burn, watch it burn. Yep. Yeah, fire is cool. I did laugh when I was I dicks on Rainfall and Burn. I was just like rainfall, like there's not basics great. Just going through all the elements, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Earth, Wind, and Fire and Avatar.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

Isn't that copying Crude again? Yeah, they did do that.

SPEAKER_01 59:04

Oh, they did, yeah, they did do that. They're not bad anymore, so you know. Yeah, we can just rip it up.

SPEAKER_02 59:09

Just taking like a little element out of each of our bands that we've been in, bringing it in. But um, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 59:16

Fire it well. Yeah, I get it, um, alright. So um yeah, I think that's probably do I have anything else really? Ah, um, this isn't really uh, don't want to ask that. It's not very interesting. It's not very interesting, it's just about social media. I just realized I was on your guys' link tree, and then like I just saw like the you know, you guys got a good link tree and personalized it and stuff, but then it had like your Instagram feed on it. Had like all the photos and like all like your feed on there, and I was like, oh, is that a new feature? Oh, I didn't know this.

SPEAKER_00 59:48

Um it's a feature. I don't know if it's new or not.

SPEAKER_01 59:51

Yeah, I'm a well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:53

I just saw it and I was like, oh, that's something like I haven't seen before, and that's cool. I was just going through the link link tree thing and then it was like, Do you want to connect your Instagram? I was like, oh sure. But you have to like manually put in each post.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:04

So every time you put a new post, you gotta go in there and then update it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:07

Yeah, which is a bit annoying, so I don't update that all the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

But that's really handy though, like if people go on there, like get all your shows or like new songs out there and stuff. Because like having like something visual, yeah, you know, rather than just text.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:19

Just just one place where like everyone can find us. Like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

Because I think like having like TikTok and Facebook on there, I mean it's always like, yeah. But then if you've got something like that, it's like, oh. And then oh, and then the Spotify and then the thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

We have a TikTok, don't we?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:33

We do. I I just checked out you've got a few of your posts.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:36

I definitely like dropped off on posting on that. Uh I just can't do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:41

Yeah, I used to I used to run it for the Sun Gods page and it didn't take long.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:45

I was just like, nah, like Yeah, TikTok's a very um I had an influencer on here and he that does more Instagram bus TikTok stuff as well, and he was like, TikTok is the worst place to be known. Yeah. There's like no shame there, right? Yeah, but it's just not it's not a great place to be known on, like to be known for. I don't I don't think it's a good place to be. Like blowing up on TikTok, it's like is it do you want to blow up on TikTok?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

I'd rather blow up on Instagram if you had any if you had a choice. But I think like Sleep Token blew up on TikTok though. Did they? Yeah. Yeah. Because people like yeah, they just like grab onto a little snippet of their song and like make a bunch of videos with it, and then that has translated into them being massive.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:27

But what was that rapper who got really big on TikTok, but just again, like the one bit from the one song? And he played a show, like his biggest show he ever did, and everyone just went along and no one knew the songs apart from that like 15-second bit. And it was like I said after after I can't remember, but it's like yeah, one of those things you're like, wow. The attention spin.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:50

That is the good thing about social media. Like I personally tend to have like a love hate with it, but same. But so many good things have come out of it, like particularly with um with music discovery, it's absolutely amazing. Yeah, man. Like I've discovered probably like ten bands I really, really like in the past month alone just from ads on um Instagram. So like yeah, there's heaps of good stuff that comes out of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:16

It's all about trying to like curate your feed, right? So you can like have it so it's like, oh, I just really want to see like new music or like funny memes or like whatever, or like yeah, not just Doom Gloom or OnlyFans. I don't know who's paying for that. I want to know guys, porn is free.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:31

Yeah, that's why are we paying for OnlyFans? We would yeah, we were talking about this the other day. We're like, what is wrong with these guys?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

What's wrong, guys? I love that there's like a good meme of this, and it's like it's like that I must like those Google employees and like one guy like does that or something. But it's like it's like when you show the OnlyFans guy that you can search boobs on Google and it's like I don't have to pay for this as a subscription model.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:56

The new generation don't know about yeah, free online porn.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:01

I mean it's not good, but you know, at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:03

I'm not in any way condoning it, but if you're gonna watch it, like don't pay for it. You don't have to pay three dollars a picture.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

Yeah, yeah. That's that's fair. But in saying that, we were talking before earlier about Crywolf, maybe you know, you got some socks, you know, like got some holy socks, and maybe you can put your feet up on there. Yeah, you know, another revenue stream.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:20

I I do actually know a girl who makes a very decent amount of money off pictures of her feet. So On OnlyFans. Or just on uh just not on OnlyFans, yeah. Wow. And it's just her feet. There's no note, it's just her feet. Again, Google, guys, like woman's feet. Like if you really want to see. Yeah, but if you do that, you're probably gonna come up with some pretty nasty ones at the same time. So I guess you're if you're a foot connoisseur thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:45

I've always thought it'd be good to do like an AI thing because I've seen some of those Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:50

AI influences, yeah, yeah. AI only only things.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:54

Like feet picks. Some of those profiles have like 500,000 followers, and then they're not like pretending that they're real, they're like saying that they're AI and they're still paying paying them. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:08

What like why work it like you work a hard job in construction with a real job?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:13

What are we doing, guys? Making music. I have heard horror stories about some guys just going bankrupt from it and Lara's. Even though it's like three dollars a subscription or whatever it is, but like they go into like a frenzy and they've end up subscribing to like three or four hundred different girls' accounts, and then all of a sudden, yeah, their bank balance is sip. It's a strange world. It is.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:40

So yeah, we're mostly just on Instagram. Mostly not, yeah. We we kind of got off track here, didn't we? Yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:46

Not only fans yet. Not yet. Not yet. Times get tough. We haven't quite got that desperate. But yeah, it's Instagram, TikTok, Spotify, all the platforms. Title, you guys on top? I'm sure in this year's just across everything, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:00

Yeah, well, we just give our stuff to the distribution company and they just chuck it up everywhere. So seems like a lot of bands are going off Spotify these days. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:09

Was it because old mates like a part of investing into like military companies? I mean ideally. I'm not surprised. They didn't people not realize that. I mean, look, I use Spotify, so whatever, you know, I'm hypocrites and things, but it's not a great guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:22

No, unfortunately, Spotify is like the easiest one to like kind of maintain, and yeah, I mean, from an artist's perspective, it's so good with the and they've got everything, Spotify for artists, yeah. Like everything's there for you, you know. It's and for the consumer, it's super easy. Like I use it for myself as well. Like the algorithms and all that kind of stuff is really good for finding new music.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:45

And I'm not sure I entirely buy into the whole um artists being ripped off by Spotify, because if you really break it down, you're paying fifteen dollars a month and there's like literally millions of bands on Spotify, like the whole It's just like a good business idea, if you know what I mean, and they've just capitalized on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:04

Like, don't get me wrong, I think artists should be paid more, but they pay the bigger artists a m higher percentage than the smaller artists though. No, do they? I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:12

I I'm pretty sure they do. I was under the impression just everyone gets paid zero point zero three cents per stream.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:18

I I'm pretty sure those the dudes that are racking in like hundred million streams are getting more of a percentage than the smaller.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:26

Oh yeah, because they're because they're because they're the bigger draw cards of people getting to platform. Podcasters is also a big one as well. Don't forget about that. Podcasters, I mean not me. I get fucking nothing. But if I was a like Joe Rogan or something, you know. I mean they get paid a bigger percentage.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:41

Yeah, it's it's it's a hefty deal for podcasters. So the smaller bands and podcasters a cut of their money goes to those bigger bands, basically. That's kind of fucked up.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:54

Now it's got rage. Yeah. Yeah, it's messy the streaming world.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:58

I changed my stats. Fuck Spotify.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:01

Well enough, no crowf on Spotify, but check it out on Spotify. Pre-save on Spotify.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:05

Yeah. Yeah, it's I mean, at some point if enough artists come off there, people are gonna have to turn somewhere else. But for now, it's it's still the biggest platform. So pretty hard for a small band to not be on there.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:21

Yeah, well, you just need as much exposure as you can get. I mean, like that's kind of that's what's hard about this, isn't it? Like there's nowhere else, like like you you gotta be on everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:30

You can put hosts somewhere else, but who's gonna go to it? Like you I'm on Apple Music. It's like cool, maybe like ten people were gonna go and look at that. Yeah, thank you. SoundCloud.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

Yeah, I was on Apple Music for a long time. I think only I think maybe like only four years ago I went to Spotify.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:52

I've been on Spotify for such a long time.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:54

I think Oh, sorry, did you say you were on Apple Music?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:57

No, no, no, no. Oh I mean I I I use Spotify. Oh right. But like I'm yeah, I mean the podcast is on everything. Yeah. Because um, yeah, it's just again, gotta be everywhere. Uploaded everywhere, yeah. Yeah, but that's um yeah, if I had the choice, it's like, yeah, that's the thing though, it's like oh it's bad and this and that, but it's convenient, and it's like, you know, are you gonna change your ways?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:17

That's true. No, yeah. I mean, if you were a big artist, I would I would probably be like, yeah, we'll pull our stuff off there. But you can because you've got the power and you've got a bit of that power, people are gonna follow you wherever you go. But yeah, if you're a small artist, yeah, you really need all the exposure you can get.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:36

Yeah, it was not just like yeah, doing CDs and all we get back to physical copies.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:42

Yeah. I used to have a massive CD wallet. That was fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:48

My my one always got scratched. Then those lights for the CD always gets scratched in the back. But then I'd leave them in my car and I'd actually just crush my CDs like an idiot. So that happened a lot too. Not gonna lie. Who scratched the CD? Oh, it was me. Or just buying cheap real groovy, like $5, $2 CDs from the bargain bin, the good old bargain bin. I used to raid that.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:08

Nice. Sometimes it used to be impossible not to scratch a CD just opening it, you know, the plastic they put around it. Yeah, and they'll just fall apart the plastic case.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:18

Infuriating. Were you guys gonna do physical stuff? Oh, you guys got merch out? Um, but are you guys gonna do like we reckon maybe just a few physical CDs or physical copies?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:27

Yeah, if we or if and when we release an EP slash album or something like that. Always good to have some physical copies. Yeah. I love the idea of vinyl.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:38

I know, I've had the Everylight musician's dream. I always wanted to try and do that for my own stuff, but it's just like money.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:43

I've seen ads where you can get vinyl as just like a one-off kind of thing. Because a lot of them do like a minimal order or whatever. Um I mean it's a lot more popular these days, so there's more options out there for more cost-effective options. So something to look into for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:02

Do you guys have record players?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:04

Yes, I don't.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:05

I've actually got um the only record I have because long story short, when I broke up my ex-partner, I let her keep a record collection. So since then I've only got one record and it's actually Carillion's rev uh record Harvard. And I haven't even opened it. Pristine.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:23

Pristine can save it. Collector's own.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:25

But I I've I've always loved um uh vinyl because of the artwork.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:29

Like that was it's so much cooler because it's so much bigger.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:31

You feel like you can like almost immerse yourself in it more. Yeah, like I remember like when I first got into music as a teenager, like listening to music, and I'd love like opening up the booklet and stuff and like reading everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:43

Yeah, like that was one of my favorite. I never did that with vinyls apart from like my dad's recall collection a bit, but I just when I bought CDs, I just read I always get the booklet out. Yeah, but it's not the same as the vinyl one, they're much cooler. No, no, yeah, no, no way.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:58

Alright, it it surprises me how profitable music was back in the 60s and 70s when it was like mostly vinyl.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:05

Yeah, you didn't even need to play many shows. I mean, all the money came from your recordings, which is crazy to think now. But back then it was literally like you play like a couple of times a year. I don't think even if you're like a big artist, you don't even play that often. I don't think that there weren't even that many tours. Um obviously if you're the Beatles is different, but if you're just like a you know, I think like even like a James Brown back then probably didn't but they released music every year, like that was interesting as well. People are like, oh, everyone had like these four or five year gaps. And I'm like, well, that was I'm pretty sure that was introduced in like the 90s.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:37

But back in the day, like if you look at all those source of revenue, yeah, they'd be releasing an album every year, yeah. Every single year.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:43

Yeah, yeah. One of my favourite bands is um The Doors and the Police. Oh yeah, yeah. And if you look through their back catalogue, they released music like a new record like every year. And then if you look at their tour posters from those years as well, an American tour was like anywhere between six and ten dates. So short. Yeah, whereas now because you'd lose money on the tour. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:06

Probably you'd lose money on the tour. Like, and you you know, you might have a little bit of merchandise and a few bits, but it just I guess it wasn't like the yeah, there wasn't the big revenue earner, so just be in the studio every year. But then the record labels would fucking give you a good yeah, they get was it 90% or something they took of like the earnings? Because they give you like the loan and stuff to record it and all that. Oh yeah, the uh some pretty dodgy. The record label owned like owns you your their property.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:35

Yeah. Yeah, it's a tough one because a lot of those bands you need the record label to put you up there, but then they kind of fuck you over as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:45

Well, they have all the control, you're usually putting your hands into the yeah, record label corporate overlords at that point. But there's not there was no other way to do it. I mean, how else would you be able to catch 22? Yeah, can't do it on your own.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:57

But back back then there was no other way to do it. No, I know you're talking about a t a time and when handing out band posters was like the way to get yourself out there. So of course you needed a label to get you on radio and that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:09

So yeah, and pay for you to be on the radio, because that used to happen a lot as well. And all the lab I mean the labels are still really big. I mean, people talk about the music industry sometimes not being as profitable. That is not true. It's not true. That makes a shitload of money.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:20

Well, you can still pay to be on tours and pay to be on radio and stuff, like that's still definitely a thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:26

What's that story of that band? I think we're talking about it recently, who oh yeah. You tell the story, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:32

So they booked like a US tour or something, and then they basically got like a rent a crowd to c to fill fill it up, and so then they sold out this tour, but it was all just like a rent a crowd and it cost them like 20 grand or something. Um so they lost heaps of money on that, but then because they had this whole sold-out tour, people were like, oh shit. And then they got booked on like proper tours and kind of yeah, became semi-successful from this fake tour that they had. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:06

Yeah, it could be it could be a myth, but there was um there's there's another band, a different kind of story, but I forgot their name as well. But they uh this is like ten or so years ago, and this guy made a completely fake profile, like with like Ms. like a couple of like little songs and that and had like these fake shows, but he managed to blow himself up on social media so and uh I have to find the name. But anyway, similar similar thing. He um he like yeah sold out this tour, but there was no band. I noticed it doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:38

Yeah that he he made it, he like blew up all the material and he had like shots of him like in front of a green screen or something, and then like big crowd shots and stuff yeah, I think yeah, it's that guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:48

I'm too gonna find the name. Uh crack up. Uh yeah, if you can yeah, I mean hey, you can do it, but yeah, it won't last long. But hey, if you can make a quick quick buck, maybe. But then you get caught, so yeah, gotta be smart.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:02

Have you heard the story about how Bring Me the Ryzen really took off?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:05

Uh no. I haven't.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:08

They were supposed to open, I think the band was called the Red Chord. Or the Red Chore. Something like that. Anyway. They were a bigger band than them. And one of the members hacked into the one of the band members' accounts and emailed the promoter and said, Oh, we want Bring Me to the Horizon to come on the entire UK tour with us.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:30

I think I have heard the story, but yeah, go on, go on.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:32

So, yeah, so they ended up doing the entire UK tour just from that. Um that helped get them from the colour. Yeah, I've heard that from uh an interview as well, so it's not bullshit. But yeah. But that was when they released like their first record, so Count Your Blessings, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:48

So what an album. That's a band that grew on me. I didn't like them for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:56

Yeah, personally. Yeah, th yeah. They were a bit too heavy for me early on, and then they mallowed out a little bit, and I liked a lot of their stuff. And then they went super weird, and some of that stuff was cool, some of the weird stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:11

I like the armo phase. Yeah, I like that. There was some really cool stuff on that as well. It was very much a transition phase, I think, for them. Also, Ollie Sykes just actually working on his singing. And I was like, oh yeah, that's good. I saw them, we were talking about it on the way here. Uh I can't remember whether it was a transmission room or some other smaller bar, but I saw them in 2008 after they released Suicide Season. It's like maybe two or three hundred people there. But I had a mate drive me along, I'd never heard of them. Or at that point heard music like that. So when they started playing, I was like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:48

What is it? Yeah. Especially Satsu, yeah, it's got some weird. It's kind of like, yeah, weird metal songs. Like, like even like I like the song Chelsea Smile is fun, but it's definitely like it's it's it's like everything changes so quickly, like everything's so like bizarre.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:04

The only thing I remember from that was him saying, like, this song is called Um Tell Slater to Watch His Dirk. And that's when I was like, what the fuck kind of band did you brought me to, bro? What band is this?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:16

That was kind of the vibe of those early bands that are just like one section and then like a completely different section, just the whole song.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:23

Like like riffs out, yeah, just all over the place. Yeah, crazy, crazy time signatures, crazy changes. But yeah, it was yeah. It's all about the hair, yeah, and the mops. Big old mops, fringes. Yeah. The big um what's it the the earrings? What are they called? The stretches. Oh, these bees. Nah, but way bigger than that. You got you got like small ones. You haven't got like the big fucking No, I can't deal with those. Stretches are small, bro. Stretches are small. You can not meddle enough. Not DevCore enough. I'm not overcompensating for something. Oh right. Small ears. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:59

I just want really big ears.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:03

Alright, fellas. I'm kind of out of questions. Um is there anything else you guys want to promote? Anything else you guys want to say? Final words, final thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:12

Just thank you to everyone who's been supporting us on social media so far and who came to watch us at the Caridian show and um love you, Mom. That kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:24

If you could be anyone for a week, who would you be?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:30

Oh, it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:31

Just for a week. Just for a week. Because I feel like if you could be someone for forever versus a week, it could change the answer. That's good, yeah. For a week. Someone living right now. Um sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:52

Oh, that's really hard. You know what? My my mind jumps straight to dictators. Oh yeah. Just because you can just do whatever you want. Uh absolute power. Um, but I I'm not I'm not sure. For a week, like, I'm trying to think like how much how much you can do and enjoy within a week. Before he gets old. Yeah, like how much fun. Like, yeah, I feel like when I was younger, I probably would have said Charlie Sheen, but probably not now.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:20

I watched his documentary the other day. Oh, was it good? Yeah, real good. I've got to check it out. He's very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:26

I rewatched him a few because he came a few interviews and then I rewatched the Tiger Blood one. Fuck, that's a bang. I love that interview so much. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:34

That was like the peak of his breakdown.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:37

Yeah, fully coked out, like, yeah, and like driving illegally with porn stars, and I was like, man, this guy's I mean, nothing was changed when they came out. I was like, legend, what a legend.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:48

But it's like that's sad. Pretty amazing that he's made it through.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:53

Still alive. Still alive, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I I guess, yeah, maybe Charlie Shane and the Heyday. I get for a week for one week. I just I just wanna just just just to live that, like, I guess excess Hollywood, exactly what you think. Like porn stars, somehow, like all the expensive stuff. Got like 10 Ferraris. I don't know why, but I just have them. You know, like I get to meet up with like the most famous people, or yeah, I can I get offered a roll, like get offered 10 million. I'm like, nah, I want 20. Just you know, just excessive Hollywood lifestyle, just for a week, just just to get a taste.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:30

Yeah, he said that he was like taking a flight and they were like, Oh, you want to come see the cockpit? And he was like, Yeah, sweet, and he was like absolutely wasted, and then the pilots were like fans of his or whatever, and they were like, Oh, you want to fly the plane? So he's like flying this freaking freaking plane with like 200 people, and then he starts like going like dipping down or something, like going off course, and they're like, Okay, okay, well just take it back now. And like they would get in so much trouble for that shit, like letting some random dude who's wasted fly this freaking commercial plane. What the fuck? But yeah, that was you could just do that shit because he was Charlie Sheen.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:11

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I I guess that would be yeah, my answer. Charlie Sheen and the headache. What about you guys?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:18

I would yeah, I mean, you'd want someone that has like plenty of money, so you could just go and do whatever you want.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:25

One week I'd be Hunter S. Thompson.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:28

Oh, yeah, the famous uh journalist, right? Yeah, yeah. For one week. He was a wild one.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:33

Yeah. Long term. No way. Charlie Shane, because you still get all the good shit and you still survive it at the end.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:41

Yeah, so it was long term. Oh no, just the week. Well, what about you? For one week, who would you be then?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:48

Oh I don't know. Probably maybe at the moment, someone like Youngblood just absolutely top of the game. Yeah, he's crushing it. Playing sexual.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:01

I love what he's doing with his festival too. It's really cool. Yeah. He made like his own, let's call it like uh Bloodfest. Bloodfest. Yeah. But I love the like the prices reasonable. Keep the prices low, like tries to create places where people can like um like because one thing I thought was cool was like if you guys been to like gigs by yourselves or like a festival in your own. And it's always like cool, but you're always like, Oh, it'd be cool to like maybe like meet people or whatever. And he's like made like a like a front make friends place or something. I'm like, oh I'm like, it's pretty sick though. Like, yeah, you can just go hey, might get some weirdos, but yeah, he seems like it's a nice sport.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:34

He's so wholesome, isn't he?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:36

Yeah, I love that. And then the cover of changes, it's very good. Oh so good, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:40

That was amazing. So yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:43

I'm not a huge fan of all of his original music, but I love what he's doing.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:46

No, I'm not a fan of his music, but I like him as a person.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:49

I think he's just really cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:51

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:53

Yeah, and then his lifestyle at the moment would be pretty fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:57

I think he um I saw like a video of like his days fucking busy as shit though. Because I think it's like all the festival stuff in his own music, and then yeah, so it'd be I think he I don't think he lives like yeah, a very yeah, no Charlie Sheen lifestyle.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:10

But no, or you wouldn't be able to take a week off from that shit and just have fun. Yeah, yeah, schedule throw it away.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:18

It's all good when you're 25.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:20

Yeah, so much more energy. Oh well, that's our final thoughts. So Charlie Sheen, Youngblood, and Hunter S. Thompson. There we go for one week. Beautiful, beautiful. All right, together. We can all hang out in the movie. Crazy, what a crazy weekend, man. Wow, wow, what a weekend. Yeah. Um, all right, sweet. Uh, thanks guys for coming on. Make sure everyone checks out Crywolf. New tracks coming out, new um, yeah, new new shows, and yeah, wish you guys the best of all your endeavors. Keep up the momentum. Mean, thanks for having us, mate. Thank you. Good, sweet. End it there. Bye.